been before in these first couple of debates. >> steve: i think you're right. a couple of days ago when he was on "60 minutes," while it wasn't back to back, when you saw the president and then you saw mitt romney, i think a lot of people, because mitt romney has been demonized, it's like, wait a minute. i kind of like that guy. >> i think that's right. a lot of folks on twitter, i was tweeting about these dueling interviews. when mitt romney answered the question of what's your big idea? and he did not hesitate. he said, freedom. and now that we're seeing hillary out there yesterday, essentially proposing a global tax on the, quote, elite, mitt romney was exactly right to say our freedom is under attack at every level and my policies are going to be designed to lift everybody up and remind people that without liberty, all of this goes away. i thought that was a brilliant answer and framed the debate very well and he needs to now infuse that with a lot of more specifics, which i think you'll see. >> brian: they've got to use paul ryan that. would help. if he wanted to fully use his numb